OVWP 39 “Tuesday Night Tradition Returns” Covering OVW TV (Rise) 1286 April 4, 2024
Hello. This is the hardcore legend, Mick Foley, and you are listening to the ovw podcast, the unofficial podcast of Ohio Valley Wrestling.
Jackman Ochs:Welcome to the WWE Podcast, the unofficial podcast of Ohio Valley Wrestling. My name is Jack Rhodes. And I'm Brian Hart. Today, we're getting into all the action from Moby We Rise 1286 which, this week oddly enough was recorded on a Tuesday but broadcast live on YouTube or broadcast live on YouTube, on April 4, 2024.
Brian Hines:It was. That's
TyniBrian:the first time I've had to change that sentence in the notes since we started this gig.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Can't you tell I came from radio, and I'm very used to whenever Thursday. Yeah. Whenever there's any sort of inconsistency in the the notes, I have no idea how to react. We, even though things on this past week were different, in OVW schedule, things on our feed will continue to stay the same.
Jackman Ochs:That's also that radio experience
Brian Hines:because of the dial
Jackman Ochs:back there.
Brian Hines:As the electricity holds up.
TyniBrian:As long
Jackman Ochs:as the electricity holds up.
TyniBrian:Yes. I do apologize for being late late last week, and we did manage to actually skip overdrive last week. So that that's my bad. We may double up and do both the overdrives on this week's episode. I don't know exactly what we're gonna do.
Jackman Ochs:Lucky you guys. Double the VIC. Oh. You guys thought you guys thought you guys thought it was you guys thought you'd survive. Nope.
Jackman Ochs:It's just unfortunate that tiny Brian was going through one of the worst, living situations in his life. You know, didn't have electricity.
TyniBrian:So, yeah, this released at 5 AM last Tuesday, and 4 hours later, a storm brewed, and I lost power. And I did not get my power back until after OVW had started broadcasting on Thursday. We
Jackman Ochs:you drove us up here, to the Davis arena last Tuesday, and I don't think you had told any of us. Well, I just assumed that I
TyniBrian:would have power back when I got home that night. So what was the deal? Yeah.
Brian Hines:We had no idea.
Jackman Ochs:We found out on face or on Instagram at the same time. Yeah.
TyniBrian:I mean, you know, I just I'm just a producer. I don't have problems. I'm here to facilitate the show.
Brian Hines:It's been a topsy-turvy week. I mean, they recorded on they did their show live on Tuesday in the midst of tornadoes hitting all over the state. We were basically driving straight into active tornado country, and then, I mean, everything's kinda under construction, and there was, an eclipse, and it's just been a weird It's been
Jackman Ochs:strange.
Brian Hines:Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:Strange week.
Brian Hines:Strange days indeed, man.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. It's funny though because a few months ago, we hit kind of a bad snowstorm on the drive back, and tiny Brian said tiny Brian said, I'm never doing this ever again. And then this past Tuesday rolls around, he says, get in the car, boys. We're driving into this tornado.
Brian Hines:We're playing Twister on the
Jackman Ochs:way down there. 1994 the 1994 classic Twisters.
TyniBrian:Yeah. That is a classic movie.
Jackman Ochs:It is. Somehow, it is actually a
Brian Hines:classic movie.
TyniBrian:That movie. It so holds up.
Jackman Ochs:I just think that you getting back on, the the blizzard night emboldened you somehow and maybe not in the best way.
TyniBrian:No. I have I have I have fooled around and survived. That's probably not a good sign.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. No. There's only so many times you can do it.
TyniBrian:Just do
Brian Hines:it. Alright.
Jackman Ochs:So in this past week, of course, we had eclipse and snows and and tornadoes and all kinds of stuff. We're rebuilding our studio that you guys will see more and more improvements, not only the way we sound, but the way that we look, in our studio over the coming weeks. But we had Orion and Tuss Orion last week in the feed, and Tuss and Chains will be coming up this week in the feed on Thursday.
Brian Hines:I was glad to finally get a chance to listen to the Orion interview. It was just as intense as I remember it being, and, it was just really a pleasure. I mean, I'm glad that we finally got a chance to talk to him because, we we hadn't been able to yet, and I hope that we are able to in
Jackman Ochs:the future. Yeah. Definitely. One of just we've said it we've said it a couple times. I'll stop saying it after this week, but it's from that huge day where we just interviewed everybody.
Jackman Ochs:And we've been so nervous about how some of these interviews are gonna come out because we don't really remember them because they all happen so quickly. Yeah. Orion brought the goods. He put the bacon on the table.
Brian Hines:Sure did. He sure did.
TyniBrian:I did sort of frog march you guys around a little bit that day. It's like, come on. Talk to this person. Yeah. Hey.
TyniBrian:Talk to that person.
Brian Hines:Get chased by the dog. No, like, relaxing and just hanging out with the wrestlers for either of us, really. It was.
TyniBrian:I wish I could've let that happen, but I didn't get to do it either if that makes you feel any better.
Brian Hines:And I hear you. And, no, hopefully, we'll get a chance to do something like that again, but, we'll just we'll just see how it goes.
Jackman Ochs:We've kind of already mentioned here that we're doing a lot of work on the studio. We hope to see more of, being able to show you guys more of that work more presently in the coming weeks. And then tiny Brian, you mentioned too that you and, Victor? Yeah. You and Victor will be having your, your little show.
TyniBrian:Yes. Covering overdrive.
Jackman Ochs:Yes. Okay. Yep. So we also we're gonna do something too before we jump into OVW. No.
Jackman Ochs:Let's let's knock out these tour dates, and then we'll break format for a second. Okay. Sounds good. OVW double cross live from the Kentucky Derby Festival, on May 2nd. A pegasus pin will get you in.
Jackman Ochs:If you are in Louisville for whatever reason that week, a pegasus pin is almost necessary for any social thing that you're planning on doing anyway. So go ahead and pick up
Brian Hines:your face. So I I don't mean to interrupt, but me not being from Kentucky, I don't understand what this phrase means. The pegasus pin will get you in. I understand that it's a physical pin, but what is the story behind it? It's Is it something that happens every year?
TyniBrian:Or so. The,
Brian Hines:So we don't really know. The it's We're just saying something somebody else.
Jackman Ochs:The Derby the Derby Festival is basically what they call it, and it's the week, maybe 2 weeks prior to the Derby. And
TyniBrian:starts with with Thunder Over Louisville, which is 2 weeks before the Derby.
Jackman Ochs:And so there's just there's cons. There's concerts. This year, there's OVW. There's wrestling. There's events and parties and all kinds of stuff.
Jackman Ochs:And then if you just have your thing, the pegasus pen basically just means that you've paid admission as opposed to paying admission for all of these individual events. It's it is your your Bonnaroo wrist band for the Kentucky Derby Festival.
Brian Hines:I I knew that I mean, everybody knows that the Derby is a big deal. I didn't realize that there were 2 weeks worth of shenanigans and things going on. I mean, I knew that they were concerts because I saw Bob Dylan play at Jillian's, like, in 22,000 3, maybe?
Jackman Ochs:Okay. I saw him in 2005.
Brian Hines:But he was playing 2,000 a concert before the the derby, and, Victor and I were there for that one.
Jackman Ochs:But, yeah, the Vegas is pinned. The Kentucky Derby Festival, this is they've kind of, I guess, to for a little more insight, they've kind of tried to make the Kentucky Derby Festival very, very, very Louisville centric because the Kentucky Derby itself can seem to be so international. They wanna do things for they wanna say thank you for the residents of Louisville because they know for the couple of days before the actual Derby, it can be kinda hell to live in Louisville. Yeah. I think it's kind of where the Kentucky Derby Festival really found its footing.
Jackman Ochs:I could be wrong about that.
TyniBrian:Two different wrestling shows because aside from shows, 1 in Louisville, 1 in Nashville. Mhmm. Kennison tells me they've done this several times, and it's not a problem, and you should stop worrying about it.
Jackman Ochs:I'm not necessarily worried about it. I'm just very curious now that I think about OVW on in a critical way weekly, daily.
TyniBrian:Right.
Jackman Ochs:I'm just curious what it looks like because I'm sure that they've done this tons of times before. I'm sure it's not gonna be a problem. But now that I know this product so well and I know who's on TV every week better than I ever have. I'm curious what it looks like. That's all.
Jackman Ochs:I'm not worried about it. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna have a fucking blast.
Brian Hines:We're we're in totally capable hands. We're safe as kittens as far as viewership is concerned.
Jackman Ochs:So, yeah, April 26th in Nashville. April 26th run for the ropes in Louisville, Du Plain, Iowa Illinois, sorry, on May 31st. Longport, Indiana on June 1st. Kentucky, back in Kentucky on August 31st at the Appalachian Wireless Arena in Pikeville.
TyniBrian:Oh, that's gonna be great.
Brian Hines:A lot of So weirdly
Jackman Ochs:fun shows. You can get all of your tickets at ovwticks.com.
TyniBrian:And A couple of the things we have. We don't have exact dates yet, but just late breaking from, mister Kennison himself.
Jackman Ochs:We just got this Oh, yeah. Literally 10 minutes before we started recording.
TyniBrian:Mount Sterling, Sterling. That's gonna be a banger right there, ladies and gentlemen. You might not wanna miss that. They're also coming to Logan's
Jackman Ochs:It might still be real in Mount Sterling.
TyniBrian:Yeah. It I'm pretty sure it's it's all shoot fights in Mount Sterling. And then they are also coming to Logan's port, Indiana, wherever. That's when when Logan ran. He ended up at that port.
TyniBrian:That's where he got on a ship and started sailing instead of running, and that's in Indiana. And, that's a joke for those of you who are on Social Security. Both those dates will be in June for specific dates later on.
Jackman Ochs:So now can we do you wanna talk we can talk about what's
TyniBrian:going on here. Officially going to fit so, folks, I I try to keep a tight rope on things here.
Jackman Ochs:It's been important to us from the very beginning to not make this into every other wrestling podcast out there where we don't talk about OVW.
TyniBrian:Yeah. It's a there are other podcasts where you can hear some talk about OVW with a lot of talk about other things. We try to we we try to give you we OVW podcast is what's on the 10. We try to give you that specifically, but it's WrestleMania. Oh my god.
Jackman Ochs:What a WrestleMania it was.
Brian Hines:I missed the first half.
Jackman Ochs:So you you meant you did watch night 2, but you did not watch night 2.
Brian Hines:I watched last night, but, the first night I was, my I had my son this weekend, and that was the first weekend we'd had together back in Ohio in probably 2 months. I mean, I'd seen him quite a bit since then because he was down here for the basketball tournament. He was here for the Comic Con. He was here for a robotics competition. So I've seen him quite a bit.
Brian Hines:Young man. It really is. No fooling. But, this was the first weekend that we had back in Ohio and, Saturday was just, you know, it was total
TyniBrian:You were buckeyeing it up. Weren't you?
Brian Hines:Do what?
TyniBrian:You were buckeyeing it up.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Yeah. We were. And Ohio things. I, I had a specific Ohio thing to do, and it had taken me a year to finally do it.
Jackman Ochs:You finally put
Brian Hines:But I did it.
Jackman Ochs:Spaghetti in your chili.
Brian Hines:Ew. I don't I don't like spaghetti, but I do I do like chili. From Ohio. I don't I don't like I don't like spaghetti because it's a texture thing.
Jackman Ochs:Fair.
Brian Hines:But that's just me.
Jackman Ochs:I just didn't know you guys weren't allowed to not like spaghetti in your
Brian Hines:chili. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to.
Brian Hines:It's not like, you know, a state law or anything like that.
TyniBrian:Don't watch if you don't like, cinnamon in your chili, you will be escorted to the Ohio River and put across.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Yeah. That that's true. That's a 100% true. But, so last year, the very last show that I sponsored, the Spot Monkey show, I won the raffle, and my grand prize was a tattoo certificate.
TyniBrian:Oh,
Brian Hines:yeah. So that's what I did on Saturday. I got a little bit
TyniBrian:of you.
Jackman Ochs:New Show it
Brian Hines:off, baby. I'm not gonna show you the
Jackman Ochs:whole thing. It's Kent,
TyniBrian:is it just
Brian Hines:the t? I I will show you enough because there's there's going to be more. I didn't get to finish it. I was there for probably 3, 4 hours.
Jackman Ochs:It's not on your lower back, is it?
Brian Hines:No. Have you I was just wondering. Have you been talking to Trey because he was talking about that. He was talking about, when I grow up, I'm gonna get a tramp stamp. And I'm like, no.
Brian Hines:You're not. You
TyniBrian:are have
Jackman Ochs:you just have to be part of. He's just like, learned about subversive comedy. Yeah.
Brian Hines:He he thinks it's hilarious. He's he's So
Jackman Ochs:he's an early teenager, mid teenager.
Brian Hines:I I was wearing the official OVW, interview jacket, and I have taken that off so I can show you part of my tattoo.
TyniBrian:Okay. I did know about this. Brian asked me earlier. Did you know what I did this weekend? And I ignorantly said no, but I I did remember seeing you.
TyniBrian:There's a picture out there on the Instagram Oh, buddy. Okay. From my chair, it just looks like a blob of color.
Jackman Ochs:I will. We just we all the only he's willing to show right now
Brian Hines:is is two words. Bray Wyatt.
Jackman Ochs:Bray Wyatt. Stylized much like the later Bray Wyatt run, the fiend run here.
TyniBrian:Where's my where's my lantern? Get me out
Brian Hines:of here. We're not there yet. Okay. I only had enough time to do so much, and I decided that since I didn't get back to it, I was just gonna go in a different direction. So I decided that since I didn't get back to it, I was just gonna go in a different direction.
Brian Hines:So I started with that, and I, went to Studio 413 in Mount Orbeau, Ohio. If you are in, Southern Ohio, the LBC Brown County, I cannot highly recommend them more. My tattoo artist was Dusty, and, Baby. He is a bigger wrestling fan than all of us put together. His shop is nothing but wrestling memorabilia, signed photos, posters, Cincinnati red stuff, Cincinnati Bengals stuff.
Brian Hines:So there is a ton of stuff.
Jackman Ochs:Does he have one of the macho man cards? The the, Randy Pafo cards?
Brian Hines:He does not, but he does have an autograph picture from, Macho Man Randy Savage.
Jackman Ochs:I was gonna say if it's half half red stuff and half, half, wrestling stuff, feel like a Randy Poffo card. He's gotta get himself one
Brian Hines:of those.
TyniBrian:Oh, hey, man. If you're listening to this, get yourself one
Brian Hines:of those Randy Poffo Cincinnati Reds cards because you don't have one, and I think that would be pretty cool. But, I I told him about some other ideas that I had, and, they were based on, TV characters. And wouldn't you know it? He does voices. And he's very good.
Brian Hines:He, like, he did the whole cast of this one entire show. And I was like, wow, that was nuts. So that's what I did on Saturday, and we had barely enough time to get back to the house and change clothes and clean up and look nice so we could go out to dinner with the family.
Jackman Ochs:Alright. Then that brings us to Sunday. You were you finally able to sit and
Brian Hines:watch this? I I was able to sit and watch Sunday, but I wasn't able to go back and watch on Saturday. I figured that it would have been over at 11, and I could have started the thing over from the beginning, but it was still going at 11. It's like, well, I don't wanna, like, catch this in the middle of it or the end of it.
Jackman Ochs:That may have been Saturday was a long one.
Brian Hines:It was certainly. Because it was a long one. Because it was after 11 o'clock, and it was still going. It's, well, I'll just wait until tomorrow. But then I heard about what happened to half of it anyway.
Brian Hines:But
Jackman Ochs:I'm gonna be honest. This was probably the best WrestleMania that I've seen since I started watching wrestling regularly. That's about I guess the first one I ever watched was 34. Best WrestleMania I've seen since then.
TyniBrian:Have you not gone back and watched archives of the old
Jackman Ochs:I have. Yeah. I've you know, there's several other ones that I've seen full way through, but, like, there's some that you're never gonna be able to touch. You know? There's some that just exist kind of in this this this different world.
Jackman Ochs:And I think that I think that it's very obvious on paper that they were trying to make this one one of those that existed in this totally different world. I'd I I think that there's a lot of decisions that were made all night that were very important to keep up the consumer confidence of the triple h era.
Brian Hines:Mhmm.
Jackman Ochs:And beyond the obvious one, beyond Cody winning, beyond Cody finishing the quote, unquote story. I think that there
TyniBrian:were Spoilers.
Jackman Ochs:I think that there were ton of other decisions all throughout the card that, that were made rightfully so to kind of, kind of cement Triple H and this run that he's had as a booker in the first from WrestleMania to WrestleMania, basically. And I think that it did that. Whether this goes down as, you know, WrestleMania 17 or WrestleMania 14 or 12 or whatever, whether this goes down like that, time's time's gonna tell. Does it have the potential to? Yes.
Jackman Ochs:Absolutely. I thought it was wonderful. I made lamb and steak and salmon, so I ate pretty well.
Brian Hines:You sure did.
Jackman Ochs:I yeah. I don't eat that much usually, but I wanted to die because I was stuffed. But, I mean, I enjoyed it. Like, I enjoyed it. I thought that it was save for the main event of our of of night 1, I thought that it was just kind of, like, perfectly paced.
TyniBrian:So you do feel that tag team match dragged on a little bit?
Jackman Ochs:I think that we could've cut some time on on the package and cut some time on the intros. I thought that the match itself maybe wasn't maybe was a little long, but I think what made it feel long was the break the break and the action between the match before it and the the actual ding ding ding of the main event. But it's the main event. It's The Rock. It's WrestleMania 40.
Jackman Ochs:You're gonna have a lot of people who haven't watched wrestling in 10 years tuned into this thing just because The Rock is there. It's
TyniBrian:I haven't watched WWE in 10 years.
Jackman Ochs:Was this the first WrestleMania you've ever watched live? Oh, no. No. No. Okay.
Brian Hines:He was there for,
Jackman Ochs:that's right. You've been to Yeah. I was in Orlando.
Brian Hines:Yeah. You were first last match.
Jackman Ochs:Right. 1st last match. Yeah. No. So but but but you would see you so you've seen them live.
Jackman Ochs:Okay. Yeah. I knew I knew that. I knew that. That was in the back
TyniBrian:of my head. It's not that I've never watched wrestling. It's it's I have been on a long hiatus from it except for OVW. And and, honestly, now I think I may have a little bit of a problem because now I kinda wanna go watch Raw.
Jackman Ochs:It's well, I will tell you this. We are recording as Raw is on right now. That will be the first thing I do as soon as I step foot in my house.
Brian Hines:Amen to that because I'm I'm excited to hear what happened next. I I picked up a a little, couple of rumors while I was, in, in the chair and because Dusty's as big a wrestling fan as I am. And so we'll we'll see if any of those things happen this evening, but if they don't happen this evening, I'm going to keep my eyes open because, I think that it's gonna be interesting here sooner than later.
TyniBrian:Alright, gentlemen. The format is calling unless you have any other
Jackman Ochs:One one last thing. One last thing. I mentioned that concept of consumer confidence, not only because I do think it applies to WWE at the moment, but I think that that is a I think it's a very interesting snapshot of, like, what cons like, confidence in booking actually looks like. And I could take that theory or that idea of consumer confidence in booking and apply it to this week's episode because I thought that this was I was really ready for this to be one of the tragic throwaway episodes of OVW. This was OVW fire on all cylinders.
Brian Hines:Amen.
TyniBrian:Yeah. And we'll talk we'll talk about that concept of how we we all kind of expected this to be a filler filler episode and how it really wasn't. But we will get into all the action from, OVW Rise 12, 1286 right after this. Hey, folks. I just stole Jackman's line.
TyniBrian:Wasn't that weird? Right after
Jackman Ochs:this.
TyniBrian:Oh, I almost stole Jackman's line, apparently. Hey, guys. Listen. I don't wanna alarm anybody, but there are boards over my head. There are things that are not here that were that are here now.
TyniBrian:Packages are arriving. There's all kinds of stuff happening. What does it all mean? Well, we obviously, I know, but I'm not gonna tell you yet.
Brian Hines:Do you have an Amazon account?
TyniBrian:I do and well, yeah. I have an Amazon account and access to a company credit card. That's kinda what it means. But, why are we doing all this? Answers are coming, folks.
TyniBrian:Answers are coming very soon. OVW podcast. And, so this is this is the point where I'd throw it back to Jackman.
Jackman Ochs:Welcome back to the OVW Podcast, the unofficial podcast of Ohio Valley Wrestling. My name is still Jackman Monokes.
Brian Hines:And I am still Brian Hines.
Jackman Ochs:Non title match here for about 1 at the, top of the show here. Dustin Jackson and Cal Hero. Cal Hero is the OVW media champion. Dustin Jackson has shown, since he's come back to OVW recently that he is not to be forgotten. A lot of people in the crowd obviously didn't forget him.
Jackman Ochs:And on top of that, these guys are former tag team champions together.
Brian Hines:Are they really?
Jackman Ochs:Yes. A lot of a lot of stuff going on in this match. Their run was so much fun, back when they were a tag team. Just 2 guys that were kind of at the same level and OVW at the same time kind of in the same level experience wise. And then just like the crowd loved them.
Jackman Ochs:I mean, how could you not? Yeah. And I think that, obviously, that show of respect at the very beginning of this match kind of winking back to their time as tag team partners.
TyniBrian:That's really nice.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. No. I really was I was very, very happy to see this match at the, opening of the night because to be honest ever since Dustin Jackson's come back, I've been waiting for for a match with Cal hero.
Brian Hines:Oh, really?
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Just because they have the history, man. And when they Sure. When when they do when they were tag teams and I was going to, OVW a lot, before I was able to watch it on TV and way before this thing was ever a
Brian Hines:And and it thought
Jackman Ochs:Even a thought. Yeah. In anyone's mind. I I loved Dustin and Cal. So, like, I was just happy to see this back.
Jackman Ochs:Happy to see this back. Reminded me of simpler times. Cal Hero takes the victory here, though, as always. Non title match, Cal Hero.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Kinda figured as much.
TyniBrian:Again, why are they all non title? Why have a title if it if no one ever puts it
Jackman Ochs:on the line? I ask myself that all the time.
TyniBrian:Is there even a number one contender to the media championship right now?
Brian Hines:It's whoever's better with social media?
TyniBrian:That's how we determine. Yeah. You you determine
Brian Hines:Vaughn. I mean, that guy's on fire with TikTok and all
Jackman Ochs:the real This is true. If if it was all about social media, the only choice is Jackpot. Yeah. To be honest with you.
Brian Hines:Yeah. He he's definitely, the most entertaining in my opinion as far as that goes, but, always putting out great content. So if if you haven't, taken a look at the the old veteran on the the interwebs, Might maybe take
Jackman Ochs:a look. So this That was
Brian Hines:a pass lap.
Jackman Ochs:This, the sketch up next year. This is kind of a follow-up to ZDP's match from last week where he was carded off.
Brian Hines:Yeah. They threw up at the they threw up the x at the end of the match, which means danger if, you are not familiar with that in the wrestling world. And he was carried out of the ring, by security and doctors and Luke Curtis's non mom. Mhmm. And, so we see him this week in this sketch, and he has been treated by a doctor.
Brian Hines:And instead of getting the frothing foaming at the mouth, angry, frantic personality that we know and have come to love over the last 6 months while we've done this podcast, ZDP says, man, I feel great. I haven't felt this great in years.
Jackman Ochs:I feel better than ever. I think
Brian Hines:I feel better than ever.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Something yeah. Something to this effect. Yes.
Brian Hines:He, it was it was great to hear him finally speak, and, he had a confusing conversation with, Jodepeso a little while after that.
TyniBrian:And It's dangerous here, he said.
Brian Hines:Yeah. It's dangerous here.
Jackman Ochs:Wanna point out that this and this comes into it later. Whenever he does have the conversation with Jota, is already on crutches.
Brian Hines:Yes. Yes. Yeah. Hoda is already
TyniBrian:just concerning at that point, and we'll get to to more concern of that later on. But ZDP is Now known as Zachary d
Brian Hines:Pittman Zachary d Pittman the third
Jackman Ochs:For now. For now. But, he catches he ends up finding Dalton Mackenzie bullying some, camera guy or something.
TyniBrian:Oh, I missed that part.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. He ends up finding Dalton Mackenzie Bull and some camera guy. This I
Brian Hines:I can kinda see that.
Jackman Ochs:I know Dalton personally.
TyniBrian:Takes care of bullies.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Well, and it was honestly, I didn't hate it, but, like, Dalton's always been so nice. He is. He's cute. People like, I think he kind of tends baby face to the crowd that, like, I thought it was, like honestly, I woulda maybe had it been Carson Drake blowing the camera.
Brian Hines:Oh, yeah. That that would have been
TyniBrian:Carson Drake had a full platter of being a butthole this episode.
Brian Hines:So Try the starfish party of 1.
Jackman Ochs:Just saying. I'm just saying. Maybe I maybe I that's what I would have done. But, yeah. So The most epic jean jacket ever.
Jackman Ochs:At the end of of this,
Brian Hines:last Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:At the end of last, ZDP kind of backstage vignette, we see the premiere of a new character. Yes. Super z.
TyniBrian:Apparently, Zach's friend. Friend? Yes. Yeah. Friend of Zach Pittman.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Much in the way that Peter Parker always knows how to find the best shots of Spider Man.
Brian Hines:Sure.
Jackman Ochs:Yes. Zachary d Pittman.
TyniBrian:Gets the gets the gets the pull quote from Superman.
Brian Hines:And oddly enough, he he is a a freelance photographer for OVW.
TyniBrian:Yes. Zach has now gotten now that ZDP now Zach is feeling better, he is pursuing apparently his dream of of photojournalism. So
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Before we see, the newly anointed super z in action, though, we do need to talk about Carson Drake and Big Zoh here. Kind of a weird match because last last week, they were together on the same side of the ring, and we even pointed out at that point, like, why is Big Zoe in with the heels?
Brian Hines:Right.
Jackman Ochs:This love love Big Zoe, beating the tar out of Carson Drake.
Brian Hines:Yeah. I'm I'm not gonna lie. I I enjoyed that episode.
Jackman Ochs:A great pairing for Carson Drake's skill set.
TyniBrian:Carson Drake literally got hit once and money flew out of him, like, up like, stuffing out of a pillow.
Jackman Ochs:Big Zoh is is just, like, incredibly entertaining every time you see him. Probably one of the most straightforward standard guys that you have on the entire OVW roster. Just, like, looks looks mean, can be mean, athletic is all hell. Carson Drake is, you know, not as, likable as Big Zo, not as, like, likable as Big Zo in the Davis arena.
TyniBrian:I'm saying trash can's more likable than Carson Drake.
Jackman Ochs:I will say I did love Carson Drake using the stroke. That is, of course, the, the the Jeff Jarrett move that's so synonymous with his time in t and a. And,
TyniBrian:He's already stole Jeff Jarrett's guitar move, so why not?
Jackman Ochs:Well, I'm all about it, man. Like, because honestly, I feel like Jeff Jarrett's the type of guy that's gonna take a paycheck for anywhere. And if that means he's gonna come hit Carson Drake with a guitar at one point for stealing all of his gimmicks, I'm okay with that. Because Yeah. Because I love because I love Jeff Jarrett, man.
Jackman Ochs:I'm I'm kind of unabashed Jeff Jeff Jarrett guy, like, to be honest with you. Big Zow loses. Carson Drake hits him with the, the stroke. One thing though that made always made Jeff Jarrett so great was Karen. And at the end here, Carson Drake kind of suggests that he might be wanting to make an honest lady out of Aria Alexander the way that, Jeff Jarrett made a dishonest lady out of Karen Engel all those years ago, but he ends up just breaking up with her.
Jackman Ochs:He ends up, and saying some what what what's the line when he leaves? We could still be friends as long as there are benefits.
TyniBrian:Yeah. That was that was his closing line.
Jackman Ochs:Just, just Carson being Carson. Just just Carson Drake.
TyniBrian:We're not yeah.
Brian Hines:Like, he he That sounds about right.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. So we'll see, I guess. He mentions Shalanse in this promo as well. Shalance had the she was smart enough to not show up or something like that. So it does kind of seem as if in the story, Guitari, Ari Alexander, and Shallonsay are could still have the opportunity to be a unit even though Carson Drake's not in it because he she was mentioned in this this thing.
Jackman Ochs:Potentially. We'll just have to see. I guess we'll just have to see what is going to end up happening with Ari, with Shlonce, and with Carson Drake.
Brian Hines:Well, at the very least, the the upshot for you, I suppose, on this one is, maybe she won't be referred to as Guitari anymore.
Jackman Ochs:I will she won't be referred to as Guitari. Hopefully, she can still tag team with because I do love that as a pairing.
TyniBrian:They are a unit.
Jackman Ochs:I love that as a pairing. I think that that I think that's money, baby. But the another positive is when I see them, I won't have to see them with Carson Drake.
TyniBrian:Brian Hines.
Jackman Ochs:Brian Hines just saw super z.
Brian Hines:Yeah. I I just caught the, the part with Super Z. When I tried to watch this at home, there were a lot of things that I was not able to see because it was constantly buffering or the the sound was just not there. So think that it's get the full experience.
Jackman Ochs:I do think at some point, they did reupload the video that ran a lot smoother. Yeah. Sound sound and kind of audio video quality wise.
TyniBrian:Some technical issues with the episode. We do hear things.
Jackman Ochs:So if you're if you're if you're wondering why maybe you were having trouble watching it at home, if you weren't able to watch it live, that they I think that they did go back and fix it in the form of an additional upload. But since you just saw him, tell
Brian Hines:us about about 3 here, Biron. About 3 based on the last, Zachary d Pittman sketch, was between Dalton McKenzie, who had been bullying the cameraman backstage.
Jackman Ochs:And Dalton Mackenzie is a big guy.
Brian Hines:He is. Dalton is
Jackman Ochs:He's a
TyniBrian:big guy.
Brian Hines:He was a big guy when I met him 10 years ago and he's twice the size he is now. Oh, golly. Or twice the size now than he was then. I mean, he's always been He's a
Jackman Ochs:big boy.
Brian Hines:And, like, one of the first things I probably talked about with him was, hey, man. You ever think about getting into wrestling?
Jackman Ochs:And ZDP is, not a
Brian Hines:big guy. No. He he's not a big guy. When he was here, the day of the Manchester show, he wasn't in full. He he didn't show up as ZDP.
Brian Hines:He showed up as Zach. And to the people who didn't know who he was or what was going on, they thought he was one of the other wrestler's sons, which just kinda shook my head, like, no.
Jackman Ochs:I guess what I'm trying to say though here is that for for a premiering super z here, Dalton McKenzie is a is a brick wall
TyniBrian:Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:For a guy like ZDP.
Brian Hines:But it was a a perfect choice for a debut
TyniBrian:Yes.
Brian Hines:Because they're they're opposites in that term. I mean, Dalton is huge, and he is built like a brick shithouse. ZDP or, I guess, Zach or super z.
TyniBrian:Z Zach
Brian Hines:is coming from the lead center? It's going to take me a minute. I'm sorry. There are no people.
TyniBrian:Relax. Okay.
Brian Hines:They're they're 2 totally different people, 2 totally different sizes, and it was like watching a superhero take on a supervillain. It really was in that sense because he's just bouncing all over the place, and it doesn't really seem to have a whole lot of effect at first, which makes Dalton look even bigger and badder. But,
Jackman Ochs:I've gotta really give it to to z d p here, to super z here, man. His entire it feels like his entire offense changed.
Brian Hines:It does. It feels
Jackman Ochs:like his entire It was. Yeah. Like his entire presence has changed. And, I mean, obviously obviously, he has.
Brian Hines:Yeah. A completely different style.
Jackman Ochs:But, like, I am impressed
Brian Hines:Super. Because he's more of a high flier.
Jackman Ochs:I'm impressed to the degree that he was able to just bust this out almost seemingly overnight. This totally different thing.
Brian Hines:Doubts about this.
Jackman Ochs:This totally different thing.
Brian Hines:And I was upset when I heard about it.
Jackman Ochs:And I'm gonna be honest. I don't think that this is I don't think that super z is the package that we expected. No. But I think that it's just, like, fucking weird enough that this is not even we haven't even we haven't even seen the surface of it, let alone be able to scratch it.
Brian Hines:I I can't wait. I mean, I really can.
Jackman Ochs:I don't think that this is anywhere near straightforward as it seems. And, like, I think that, you know, just look at something Al's right in the show. Look at something like head. You know? It's such an easy thing to point back to, but just like this like, Al's ability to embrace weirdness and turn convention on its head I don't think that super z is anywhere I don't think that it's gonna be this straightforward for very long because I think that, like, the weirdness here is you can go so far with it.
Brian Hines:Oh, yeah.
Jackman Ochs:And even if you chose not to do that, people are still gonna love ZDP or super z.
Brian Hines:Sorry. Super z was so over. Yeah. I mean and I'm so glad that you were like, yeah. We're going.
Brian Hines:It's a Tuesday. I don't care. There's tornadoes.
Jackman Ochs:Get in the car. We didn't really It was a Tuesday. It was weird. Retired. Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:We didn't wanna go. We knew
Brian Hines:I mean, man We figured it's
Jackman Ochs:By about the time ZDP happened, we said, oh, I'm glad
Brian Hines:we went.
TyniBrian:Yeah. Definitely. Which happened pretty early. Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:I mean Match number 3. Match match 3. Yeah.
Brian Hines:We're a
Jackman Ochs:half hour
Brian Hines:in or whatever it was.
TyniBrian:I mean, the the first vignette was right after the first match. So it's like, holy crap. We're getting it tonight.
Brian Hines:Yeah. When when they took him out at the end of the last match last week, I figured that was probably it. But I didn't expect that they would capitalize on it and move the story forward this quickly the following week, but they sure did, and they both knocked it out of the park.
Jackman Ochs:I'm just gonna say buckle up because that thing is gonna get weird, and it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Brian Hines:I can't wait.
TyniBrian:If you if if you liked the idea or you saw it
Brian Hines:and you
TyniBrian:liked Dalton and and, superz competing here, I think it's fair to say if you're gonna go out on and see OVW on action could see them in action again.
Brian Hines:Definitely. I would love to see them in action again.
TyniBrian:That is that is the rumor I hear is that we're going to see them as part of their, touring show.
Jackman Ochs:And also and also, Zach, get to the nearest t shirt printing press as quickly as possible before you get out on tour because you even make some money with some super z t shirts.
Brian Hines:Yeah. And, I I went to the bank this weekend, so I have cash. I don't have to worry about the cash app or anything like that. But,
TyniBrian:Let's can we even talk about the hand symbol? Did you guys notice that?
Jackman Ochs:The Zoltan? Yeah. From Dude, Where's My Car? I guess. That is, yeah.
Brian Hines:I had a
Jackman Ochs:I had a misspent
Brian Hines:youth. I like the,
TyniBrian:it's a super z.
Brian Hines:The finisher off the top rope where he jumped and did the the classic Superman pose when he's flying, and he's got, like, one fist in front and then the other one behind him. And he he had to get the, the cape before he went off the top rope.
TyniBrian:Yeah. That the when he got the cape, that that
Brian Hines:made me happy. Well Yeah. It really just it it's like the the rug in The Big Lebowski. It really tied the whole thing together. You know?
Jackman Ochs:And I think also too that if you had asked me before what ZDP's finisher was, I don't know if I would have been able to tell you. But now I know exactly what it is, and it's the first time I've ever seen it.
TyniBrian:How often did z how often did the z d p character win?
Jackman Ochs:That's kind of what I'm saying is even is if he had a finisher, I don't know what it is off the top of my head. I know exactly what this is. It made a huge impact. This is a huge coming out party for whatever they're gonna be doing with the super z character. And it's it's it's just nice to see somebody that works really hard get an opportunity.
Jackman Ochs:Yes.
Brian Hines:A major one and actually do something.
Jackman Ochs:Not that everybody doesn't work hard, but nobody could have predicted the zombie ZDP character getting over in the way that he did and putting on these, you know, kind of harrowing matches Yeah. Every single time he went out there. It's just it's nice to see. And I know I know that it is weird, and it is, like, for an adult like wrestling fan, you kind of look at it and you kind of say, oh, I like this guy enough to continue to support this. This ain't this ain't we ain't even seen the surface of this.
Jackman Ochs:No. Let alone started scratching it. And this is gonna get really cool.
Brian Hines:Now that we've done the character shift, Zachary d Pittman, would you come on the show and talk to us because we weren't able to talk to ZDP because all we would have gotten was
TyniBrian:Oh, you guys did try. Remember? It ended up being a hilarious
Brian Hines:Well, yeah. It did. And You got home. Got eaten.
TyniBrian:That didn't work. For 3 days.
Brian Hines:Yeah. He was.
Jackman Ochs:Thank god. Best 3 days around here. Yeah. I've ever had.
Brian Hines:But now that we have
TyniBrian:that Zach is pursuing his dream as a photojournalist, I I, honestly, I wonder if we might put him on the production team.
Brian Hines:Well
TyniBrian:It'd be nice to have somebody you know, he lives in Louisville.
Jackman Ochs:We do need an intern.
TyniBrian:Yeah. We do need an intern. Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:He's don't don't don't don't let anybody tell you there's any money in this thing.
TyniBrian:And his friend is out there fighting crime. I don't
Brian Hines:see how he's got the time for this.
Jackman Ochs:I just wanna see him I just wanna see him in the same something weird's going on here. I just wanna see him in the same place at the same time.
Brian Hines:Yeah. That's all
Jackman Ochs:I'm saying. Something weird is going on here between Zachary d Pittman and Super Zeke. I kid.
Brian Hines:My my favorite part about this in terms of what could happen is what happens if there's a super z d p?
Jackman Ochs:Like, if, like, Marvel's what if Yeah. Like Yeah.
Brian Hines:Turds. Oh my. Yeah. Like, he's got he feels great. He has the superpowers, but that part that's still maybe in there, where is it from?
Jackman Ochs:Marvel Marvel's What If the t the the comic book series, not Marvel's What If the TV show that took this really great
TyniBrian:Same premises.
Jackman Ochs:And yeah. But one of them had heart and was cool and the other one was a mindless cash
TyniBrian:grab. I liked the what if cartoons. Yeah. They were fine.
Brian Hines:They were fine. I watched a couple with the boy. They're alright.
Jackman Ochs:I liked that one Star Wars, cartoon thing where they did the Akira Kurosawa. Do you guys see that? Yeah.
TyniBrian:I liked that. Visions.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. I liked that. That was pretty good. But I like Akira Kurosawa. Imagine.
Jackman Ochs:I'm a hipster on the Internet.
TyniBrian:No.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. So just, you know, speaking of hipster on the Internet and bad opinions, Beaches and Cream lament the passing of, the Golden Lions here. They have a whole a whole,
TyniBrian:A whole. Yes.
Jackman Ochs:A whole funeral. Don't give them any they'll you know these 2. They'll take anything and run with it. They had a whole funeral here.
Brian Hines:This was hilarious.
Jackman Ochs:To me, that's what I People were
Brian Hines:chanting this
Jackman Ochs:is boring. I liked it a lot.
Brian Hines:In between, matches during the commercial break, they they set the stage for this, and they wheel out the casket, get it into the ring, and make, like, the the, memorial service set. And then when they both go through the curtain and they just stand there for a second and then they both kind of pause in unison and take, like, the wedding march steps. I laughed so hard. Everybody's just kind of looking at me like I'm an idiot, but to be fair, I am an idiot. But this was really funny.
Jackman Ochs:To be honest, this was this is kind of like peak Jack was gonna sit here and complain about something. I actually loved it. Yeah. Like, I thought it was a week. Hilarious.
TyniBrian:So I'm gonna be the one to sit here and complain about it. That was horse stuff.
Jackman Ochs:No, man. Luscious Lawrence, broke out Yiddish in the middle of it. Like, Like, it was it was funny to me. And, like, the Omar here as a heel. Like, there was something, I think, kind of I don't know if he was doing it intentionally or if it just kinda happened, but I think it was really special either way.
Jackman Ochs:He there was a literal moment where he didn't give a fuck about entertaining these people or making or making jokes. He he enjoyed how much they were hating it.
TyniBrian:Yeah. Oh, yeah. He would he he's into He
Brian Hines:ate that up. Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. He's
TyniBrian:into that.
Jackman Ochs:And, you know, he he he didn't he didn't he wasn't reacting as if someone that was losing a crowd. He was reacting as if someone that loved that he lost the crowd. Yeah. And, like, I I'd like, I loved this.
TyniBrian:Sort of sadist
Jackman Ochs:you gave.
TyniBrian:I enjoys inflicting pain on people. Yeah.
Brian Hines:The only thing missing from this promo for media the one thing that would have made this, like, absolutely perfect if, like, at the end of it, they played, it's so hard to say goodbye to yesterday, my boys to men. Yeah. That that was that would have been funny. That would have been really funny, but they didn't. And it was this for me, it it was over pretty good.
Brian Hines:I liked it quite a bit. I thought it was hilarious.
Jackman Ochs:I, I would just say the only thing for me is you can't go all black, Omar, and wear brown shoes. Oh. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Brian Hines:He he got you there.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Come on. Come on.
TyniBrian:Honestly, I found this to be a great time to go to the snack bar.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Well, he did a better job of dressing himself than, Joe Mac did a few weeks ago when he was wearing that, like, sleeveless button down and whatever clothes
TyniBrian:and got what
Brian Hines:Whatever clothes he got from the lost and found or whatever it was. But, No.
Jackman Ochs:I kinda like that too.
TyniBrian:Man. Oh, can we mention that, the the snack bar at Davis Arena now has chicken wings?
Jackman Ochs:Oh, and they are really good.
Brian Hines:They are delicious. They really are. I tried one that had that was a dry rub. I don't know if they had different kinds.
TyniBrian:That's all they had. Had.
Brian Hines:I was just kinda surprised that they had it and,
Jackman Ochs:there is no reason why chicken wings at a wrestling show shouldn't be actually that affordable. They're I think they're $10 for 5 wings, which is really not bad. You're paying $2 a wing. You're not getting that at some other places. You're not getting that sit down restaurants sometimes.
Jackman Ochs:And there's
TyniBrian:an These did come from a local restaurant. I forget which one, but these did come from Yeah. But the quality was there.
Jackman Ochs:Quality was You
Brian Hines:paid $10 for 5 chicken wings. You know where that money went.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Oh, yeah. This was, this might be this might be the new winner at the Davis arena.
Brian Hines:I'm still going with Wicks. But if somebody has if somebody I'm with gets the wings, watch your back.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. It was I was, I was legitimately impressed. Like and and really they were and not just impressed because maybe I had I was unsure what to expect. They impressed me even if I had had higher standards walking into it. They were great.
Brian Hines:It it was the smell that lured me in. It really was because they smelled phenomenal.
TyniBrian:Once again, this podcast teeter totters on the edge of becoming a food podcast.
Brian Hines:Dakota, that's for you.
Jackman Ochs:Nobody else makes food podcasts out here. We would. I've never heard another one ever. Ever? Really?
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Dude wait. Is that a thing that people do?
TyniBrian:I mean, have you tried searching for it?
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. No. Trust me. Everybody get a food podcast.
Brian Hines:Podcast about food?
Jackman Ochs:There's only 2 things Really? That we we we need to figure out a better format because I think there's the 2 99% of all podcasts made are food podcasts and wrestling podcasts. So I
Brian Hines:think we might And as far as that goes, we're all in our thirties to forties, and one of us has a beard, and we listen to metal, and we didn't need to start a podcast, but, here we are.
TyniBrian:All we need to do is start solving crimes in the middle of this podcast, and we'll be good to go.
Brian Hines:Or or just talking about crimes that haven't been solved. Yeah. Unsolved mysteries. That's a whole other thing, I think, or or at least it used to be.
Jackman Ochs:Alright. Alright.
TyniBrian:Where were we? Are we are we still talking about OVW?
Jackman Ochs:See, this is what happens when we broke the format at the beginning of the show.
TyniBrian:Yeah. Now it's not now all rules are just out.
Jackman Ochs:We shouldn't have we shouldn't have done that.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Well, this is let's try to get back to it.
TyniBrian:But Yeah. We were
Jackman Ochs:talking about to get back to here because it's Shane Mercer and Jack Vaughn. Yeah.
TyniBrian:That was
Brian Hines:such a good match. The main event of, hour 1 was Iron Demon Shane Mercer versus the veteran wait for it. Jack Vaughn.
Jackman Ochs:That
Brian Hines:was his eye slap.
Jackman Ochs:Man. So the only thing about this match that I think I I would take away from it is, I think Jack Von was like kind of like one of the last guys that I really wanted to see a good Shane Mercer. Really? Why's that? I don't because they just I might have waited if this isn't the beginning of a angle, I might have waited for this one for a pay per view.
Brian Hines:I think I would have rather seen, Shane Mercer versus, Jack Von's mustache. I think that in itself would be a a solid match.
Jackman Ochs:Jack Von's mustache does have almost a height advantage on Shane Mercer. Shane Mercer is not the tallest guy in the world, but he is he is one of the strongest men in the world. Not the strongest man in Kentucky, obviously. But
Brian Hines:Obviously not.
Jackman Ochs:This this this man is is a bulldog. He's absolutely incredible. I just think that, like, I wanna see Jack Von with that big, like
Brian Hines:Mustache?
Jackman Ochs:No. He already has one of those. The that big canvas to paint on in a pay per view setting with Shane Mercer because I think that Jack Vaughn's psychology and his ring work in that like wide non commercial break like non televised pay per view setting will be great eventually when it happens. I think we will eventually get it. I'm hoping that this is just planting the seeds for it and not saying, hey.
Jackman Ochs:You guys are good enough to get a good match on TV this week. Go out and have it. Because I think that these 2 could have I think these 2 could have
TyniBrian:A whole program?
Jackman Ochs:A whole program, and it would be awesome. And I think that I think that Shane Mercer is at the point in his OVW career where a guy like Jack Von is just gonna get him to the next level. Like
Brian Hines:I don't disagree with you as far as that goes.
Jackman Ochs:So hopefully this was a great match. I enjoyed it. Jack Von takes the victory, but hopefully this is not the end of these 2 guys at OVW because I think that I think there's money to be made between these 2 guys.
Brian Hines:I don't know if I'd go so far as to say they need, like, a best of 7 series.
Jackman Ochs:No. No.
Brian Hines:No. But a heated rivalry would be alright. Yeah. Yeah. Or something that, like, just kinda, like, pops up every every now and again.
Jackman Ochs:Well, and then it kind of, you know, Jack Von, in my mind, I love him in the titles the title picture. Yeah. I don't think he necessarily needs to be in the title picture. And a guy like Shane Mercer would be a great use of his time outside of the title picture.
TyniBrian:Mhmm.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Unfortunately, though, he's the veteran, baby. He he we know he pulled one of the biggest veteran moves of all time, this past week by signing some cleave on the way out. Really? Oh, yeah.
Jackman Ochs:He
Brian Hines:I missed that.
Jackman Ochs:He signed Yeah. He signed, at the gimmick table. He signed a girl's, chest and he said this is the biggest veteran move of all time.
TyniBrian:For some reason in my memory now, the American dream, Dusty Rhodes, is signing somebody's cleavage, and I
Jackman Ochs:Oh, you know you know Dusty sign cleave, bro. I
TyniBrian:do know Dusty sign cleave. Here we go.
Jackman Ochs:Dusty was dust you know, he did. You know, he did. That's why Jack Mulan does. You know, because he looks at he looks at the stars of yesteryear and borrows all of his grace and wisdom from them.
Brian Hines:Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:Let's see. America's sweetheart versus the bad girls club this time in the form of Layla and Tiffany, the most contentious version of the bad girls club here.
TyniBrian:So far team you might say.
Jackman Ochs:This would be the the yes. This would be, quote, unquote, the a team. I love the bad girls club jackets this past week. They're kind of the back pull black pull combat club jackets.
TyniBrian:They're they're really pink ladies from Greece.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Yeah. But I thought I thought that all 4 black. All 4 of the girls looked rocking in them. Thought they were rocking coats.
Jackman Ochs:And I've I've I've saw I've said this in the past. Like, I love how quick the bad girls club were able to come together and look like a team. And those jackets just are another kind of layer on that. Nobody in the women's division looks more like a team though right now than America's sweethearts, Lady Bird and Sofia Rose.
Brian Hines:Absolutely right. They you couldn't ask for a a more over tag team than America's sweethearts. And, they're growing every week in terms of, like, popularity, in terms of, like, their their skill set, the work they put in, how they react to the crowd, how the crowd reacts to them. And, there I don't think there's a a hotter tag team in the, women's division in terms of popularity.
Jackman Ochs:There's a few things in this match specifically that I'd like to touch on here while we're recapping it. One is kind of the further dissolution of the bad girls club specifically Leila and Tiffany. There's a point where Tiffany is is on the outside gloating, you know bragging that she's number 1. Layla calls her into the ring, but she's distracted by her own ego so she can't come help Layla. Thought that that was great kind of another, inch inch another version of them inching toward the dissolution was perfect.
Jackman Ochs:I think that very easily so, Sofia Rose and and understandably so, Sofia Rose has kind of become this thing into an unto herself in this tag team and in this division. I thought Lady Bird here fucking nailed it, fucking killed it, and, made kinda kinda reminded you that this is a tag team that you're watching. Right?
Brian Hines:Yeah. And just like last week, it was I mean, Sofia Rose was the the powerhouse. Yeah. She was the tour de force. Then this week, it was it was Lady Bird.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. So I mean Double moon salts just look great. Just, fantastic. Double kind of, I guess, more of, like, a lion salt type thing if we're getting specific. And then also, at the very end here, Hema and Ellie, you don't really get to see it very well on television.
Jackman Ochs:The shot is kind of missed, but live at the arena, them fighting on the outside and not being able to break up the pin so that America's sweethearts take home the victory, and then kind of rolling into the ring at the exact same time live looked fantastic. Like the communication, the timing between that and just like how how dire it looked and how drastic it looked and how real it looked that they had fumbled over each other while trying to make the save here, was kind of unfortunately lost by the camera angle that it was shot on. But I do wanna mention it because live it looked fantastic. Those are kind of my, like, 3 takeaways from this match. I thought it was I thought it was perfect, in terms of just not, like, entering stuff, but advancing the story that we're telling here.
Jackman Ochs:I thought it was really, really well done.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Especially going into a double cross here in a few weeks. Mhmm. Yeah. Because now the tension among all of these ladies is starting to be more palpable, especially on the, the bad girls club side.
Brian Hines:But
Jackman Ochs:Oh, and
Brian Hines:you know, the the only exception being America's sweethearts Mhmm. Because, you know, Freya and Hollywood have have had their differences in the past and, very recently. But, I really hope that the double cross does not come from America's sweethearts.
Jackman Ochs:I think that that would be just, like, mind blowingly bad decision.
Brian Hines:In terms of
TyniBrian:gonna turn heel
Brian Hines:or In terms of a stand alone pay per view, that would be a a really, really good, like, surprise move. But in terms of long term storytelling, you can't break these guys up right now.
Jackman Ochs:Be a a swerve for the sake of a swerve. And and in this case, not the right one. No. I think there's already so much tension in that match that I think you don't have to have. I think America's sweethearts, the smart thing to do is to roll with that momentum, have everyone else dissolve.
Jackman Ochs:Yep. And then you have America's sweethearts. They're standing tall, best friends. You know? Everybody in the crowd loves them.
Jackman Ochs:Like, that's that's the move and I bet I mean you you you touch on something very interesting the next few months of OVW are going to be absolutely insane Like, just in terms of how much content that they have, the shows, how much touring they're gonna be doing, how many matches they're actually going to be putting on week in week out, some that you see, some that you don't. They really do have to start stacking the cards now Yeah. To fill the tank for enough to get through these next few months logically.
Brian Hines:Because there's a lot of storytelling to be told.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. And they've they've done a really good job, stacking their deck so far.
Brian Hines:They've They've done
Jackman Ochs:a really good job stacking their way.
Brian Hines:But if I were if I were to put money on, the who I think would or should be the 1st women's tag team titles holders, all American sweethearts. There it'd be American sweethearts.
Jackman Ochs:There's if let's say tomorrow, there was a belt tag team women's tag team belts came out tomorrow. It it has to be them without a doubt. It has
Brian Hines:to be them
Jackman Ochs:without a doubt. The only other team that it could be is in the process of breaking up right now with the Bad Girls Club. Yeah. So that's just kind of that's my 2¢. It's my 2¢.
Jackman Ochs:Let's get to the pen ultimate match of the night here, Brian Hines. Adam Revolver comes out the commentary. The match is, of course, between Tuss and Chains and dysfunction, Kyle Roberts and Brandon Espinosa.
TyniBrian:Kyle Roberts is new to that tag pairing, isn't he?
Jackman Ochs:I think that we just had no. I think he's they've been dysfunction has been Roberts and Espinosa for unless I missed something in commentary.
Brian Hines:Now they I
Jackman Ochs:didn't But we haven't seen them in several months.
Brian Hines:I didn't catch anything in commentary, but I did see where dysfunction added a new member Okay. At a I wanna say Squared Circle Expo maybe last week.
Jackman Ochs:All kinds of stuff happens at Square Circle Expo.
Brian Hines:Yeah. They gotta get up there. They were we'll we'll have to go next year. There were people that, were there that I didn't expect to see, and then there were people that were there that had to leave suddenly for other reasons, and we'll just keep our eyes open to see what happens. But, yeah.
Brian Hines:This match was I mean, that's this is my favorite, guys tag team. Mhmm. Tustin chains.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Really great kind of baby face tag team action back to back here. And both of the baby face teams end up taking the victory.
Brian Hines:Yeah. But as, even though they are known as dysfunction, they actually function quite, quite well.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. They they we haven't seen them on TV
Brian Hines:Not a lot.
Jackman Ochs:In a while, but these guys I know Espinosa has been around for a long time at least. I I feel like I remember him seeing him back years ago when
Brian Hines:I go to
Jackman Ochs:OVW. You you really just need a team to go out and do exactly what happened here, which is have Donovan Cecil throw you around, You know, have t w three dump in Donovan Cecil's arms. Have Donovan Cecil run at the other team. And I you know, that's pretty much that's pretty much what we saw. Didn't think it needed to be anything more than this.
Jackman Ochs:And in fact, it was pitch perfect and dysfunction dysfunction did exactly what they needed to do. And there's nothing bad to be said about that.
Brian Hines:No. No. It was a solid match, from from both sides, and it was very entertaining. And, yeah, I the they're just a great team.
Jackman Ochs:Adam Revolver had some really great stuff on commentary here about, about, you know, we're we're in we're in the world of wrestling. This is a wrestling match. Whatever weird feats of strength Donovan Cecil does in the world's strongest man competitions doesn't mean that he can wrestle. Thought that was like easy easy commentary but yeah. Like that's the kind of commentary I like.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. He's strong. Yeah. He's big. He's not Adam revolver.
Jackman Ochs:He doesn't have, you know, the amount of entering experience Adam revolver has. Like, I like that. I like Adam. I'm liking Adam revolver more and more every single day. As you draw a thumb on your or a face on your thumb over here.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't have that problem. He doesn't have that prominent if it
Brian Hines:knows. Okay. I'll I'll do better next time.
Jackman Ochs:It's a little rounder.
TyniBrian:Talk about him without drawing a thumb on your
Brian Hines:It's instinctive at this point. It's like, whenever, Pavlov rung the bell and and, his his pets expect the treats and stuff. So anytime I hear Adam Revolver, I take out a pen, draw my thumb, and
Jackman Ochs:We're close here. We're close here. We're rounding out the show. Yeah. Big huge in ring sketch sketch up next.
Jackman Ochs:Starts off with Al brings in Tony Gunn, grants him and strap match. One of my personal favorite stipulations to see in person. Love a good strap match in person. Man, if Enzo is willing to get hit real hard, that's gonna be very cathartic. It's good.
Jackman Ochs:There this this if this this strap match between Tony Gunn and Real 1, this Arkansas strap match, of course, Tony Gunn being the Arkansas redneck. This has the potential to be really really really good and I think really help help Enzo's reputation in the Davis arena. If he really does let Tony Gunn come out and smack the hell of him for 20 minutes. And not like I'd love to see it and I think Enzo is just crazy enough to do it. I kinda can't wait for this batch but that's not the only thing that happens during the sketch.
Jackman Ochs:We see kind of the continuance of Freya and Hailey being upset that they have to work together in that 4 corners match. The bad girls club comes out. The American all American sweethearts come out, you know, to kind of advance that story of that 4 corners tag match that we're gonna see at Doublecrossed. Right? And it's just a bunch of yelling and bickering until we cut to black.
Jackman Ochs:I liked the sketch a lot. I liked it because there is almost there is this element in OVW right now where Al is the authority figure, but for some reason, he can't get these women under control. Yeah. Like and I kinda like I kinda like that Al is, like, the big, like, strong, like, authority figure guy. And then for whatever reason, these women are just so so passionate and so wild and so vicious.
Brian Hines:Everybody's all, I do what I want.
Jackman Ochs:Yeah. That even Al's just like, well, I have to just I have to just let it happen. Yeah. Not only that does turn
TyniBrian:to the my favorite is where they're all arguing, and he just sort of turns to the crowd, like, what am I supposed
Brian Hines:to do with all this?
Jackman Ochs:It gives him
Brian Hines:That's a Kermit the
Jackman Ochs:frog move for sure. It gives him more of a, like, camp counselor type thing than it does, like, a hard ass, like, authority figure thing. And I think with these women in the in the division, and the way that they that Al's character is right now, I think it really works, and I really like it. I really like it. I like that he's willing to come out and drag the dudes around by the ears.
Jackman Ochs:And with the girls, he's kinda willing to just, like, say, I'll let you guys figure it out.
Brian Hines:Yeah. Kinda I
Jackman Ochs:I I enjoy it very much. I enjoy it very much. But like I said, just kind of another, that's just they're just trying to put as much gas in the tank over the next month or so to try to get through this busy busy busy schedule that they're gonna end up having. We have we have another sketch, right after that, right before the main event of the night. Jodepesos is injured.
Jackman Ochs:We saw him earlier in the night with ZDP on the crutches. We now get an explanation for why he was on the crutches. Hate to see it, man. Yeah. Hate to see it.
Jackman Ochs:I I don't I I will I will quit this podcast if I ever come on here and am happy to see anyone injured. And that that because that's disgusting, first off. But in Jodepesos case right now, one of the hasn't been champion for that long. Multi time champion hasn't been champion for this reign for that long. Yeah.
Jackman Ochs:Just a couple weeks. Has had some great matches in this reign so far and, was obviously very emotional about it. And we know that this guy is a guy that cares a lot about his craft. He cares a lot about the people around him. He cares a lot about his family, and it it was it was a bummer, man.
Jackman Ochs:It was a bummer to see this.
Brian Hines:It was. I I hated to see it. Everybody in Davis arena was upset about it when, you know, he kinda, you know, just exhaled and took the belt off, and everyone was just
Jackman Ochs:People knew what it was.
Brian Hines:Yeah. People knew when he came out what was what was gonna happen, and it it didn't make it any easier to deal with No. Because it was still a sad affair, unfortunately.
Jackman Ochs:Will Austin does come out because we still are at a wrestling show out at the end of the day. Will Austin comes out, tax owed a peso. I assume Will will be around when HOTA is off the shelf, and I assume we're probably, what, going to Star and, that's what it looks like. Yeah.
Brian Hines:But Star Rider came out to
Jackman Ochs:We lost in here.
Brian Hines:Yeah. But, kicking the crutches away from, from Jota Peso as he's dropping the belt, you know, prick party of 1. So let me ask you here before we
Jackman Ochs:get into the main event.
Brian Hines:Push Will Austin. What?
Jackman Ochs:Is yes. Push Will Austin. That actually is kind of the question I wanted to ask. Do you put it on star, or do you put it on Will Austin?
Brian Hines:I don't know. I honestly don't, but I think there needs to be, like, a really, really good non run of the mill match to determine which of those 2 gets the bill.
Jackman Ochs:I think that,
Brian Hines:like, some kind of weird stipulation or, something very oddly specific to those 2 because they have history that goes back quite a ways. Sure.
TyniBrian:Would like to see a 2 out of 3 falls, maybe?
Jackman Ochs:2 out of 3. I think that
Brian Hines:2 out of 3 ain't bad.
Jackman Ochs:I think that there's, I think there's a lot I think there's a lot of room room at the table for what you could do. I will say that Especially
TyniBrian:now that the head's been vacated.
Jackman Ochs:I will say that, no. We already talked about that earlier.
Brian Hines:Oh, yeah.
Jackman Ochs:That star would probably be the choice that is more in line with what had already been going on.
Brian Hines:Right? I But with the post lawsuit movement
Jackman Ochs:I like I like the chaos of putting it on Will Austin, though. Yeah. I I like the chaos of putting it on Will Austin, though. So, and then, I mean, not to mention when Jota Pesos isn't there and plans change, you have Orion. You have a ton of other guys that, you know, you
Brian Hines:have Especially after this,
Jackman Ochs:we're sitting and talking about it. Like, it only has to be star rider and It doesn't. And, oh gosh. If I could get through way, we we're talking
Brian Hines:Will Austin. We're talking about Will Austin's right there.
Jackman Ochs:But it could be Orion. In fact, putting it on Will Austin kind of lays the work right for an Orion thing. Like, there's just ton there's a ton of stuff you could do that would be fun. There's a ton of stuff that you could do. It'd be fun.
Jackman Ochs:I guess in a few weeks, the coming weeks, we'll figure it out. Push Will Austin. Sorry. I forgot your name. Name.
Jackman Ochs:It's been a long day. Main event, hour 2 here.
Brian Hines:The main event of the evening is A non title match. Another non title match. Well, it was a Tuesday, and it was kind of a weird day. But, it was, between big beef, Niles Garvin, and champion, Luke Curtis. Certified.
Brian Hines:Certified. And on commentary, I didn't expect this, but I I was pleased that it happened was, Superior Tony Emmett accompanied by Jada Niro.
Jackman Ochs:Didn't expect it, but liked it.
Brian Hines:I I liked it quite a bit. Jada Niro did not or didn't add anything to the commentary, obviously, because, he's
TyniBrian:He did loom behind him.
Brian Hines:That in itself from a a visual standpoint is always gonna be menacing, and I'm always gonna love that. But, in terms of actual words and conversation, no. You get the same as you always get. Dirty looks.
Jackman Ochs:I, we've talked about the non title match thing, you know, and we will continue to because it seems like it's not gonna go anywhere. I kind of looked at this, though, as if it was a title match. I kind of I kind of put it in my head as if it was a title match. And I said to myself, big beef is like the perfect guy right now to be that first match out of of Luke Curtis's win. He's getting a lot of traction.
Jackman Ochs:He's red hot. People like him. He's he's believable. He's gotten some big wins, but we knew that he wasn't gonna beat Luke Curtis
Brian Hines:winning a title now.
Jackman Ochs:I thought that he was, like, the perfect guy to go against Luke Curtis here. I think that it is a big vote of confidence for where we could see big beef in the coming months for him to be the 1st guy against Luke Curtis here.
Brian Hines:I hope
Jackman Ochs:so. And, I thought I thought Luke I thought big beef was able to make Luke look like a great champion in this match. You sure did. I thought it was just I thought it was I thought it he was the perfect choice for the first, match here of Luke Curtis' title reign. I I thought it was really, really, really good stuff.
Jackman Ochs:Love big beef. Love Luke Curtis, but this was a
Brian Hines:Nontitled match.
Jackman Ochs:It was a non title match, and it was an angle disguised as a match. Because, really, as you had mentioned, this was just about Tony Evans being on commentary. This was just about Jay De Niro and Tony Evans being on camera, and this is about Tony Evans challenging Luke Curtis for the OVW heavyweight championship.
Brian Hines:Yeah. The match itself was Me too. Yeah. The match itself was just a foil. Yes.
Brian Hines:A means to an end and the end being, building towards a certified and superior.
TyniBrian:Let's not undersell this match, guys.
Jackman Ochs:This was Oh, no.
Brian Hines:I was I was No. No. No. No.
TyniBrian:This would get
Jackman Ochs:No. But, no. It is a great match and big and like I said, this this is this could be the moment if they choose to go this way where in 6 months from now, we look at big beef as a singles title holder.
Brian Hines:Could very well beef.
Jackman Ochs:Like, I think that I think that this was as big of a, hey, pay attention Curtis. I think it was a, hey. Pay attention to big beef as so much as it was to, hey. Pay attention to next week whenever Tony Evans and Luke Curtis finally start their angle, in earnest. I just, like I'm not trying to take away from the action here at all when I say the conclusion of this match was not who won between Luke Curtis and Big Beef.
Jackman Ochs:The conclusion of this match was what happened after the bell ring.
TyniBrian:Right? True enough. So, can we take just a moment and talk about Big Beef and Big Zoe, the beef mode beasts who we never ever see together anymore?
Jackman Ochs:They still have the same
TyniBrian:type of still have the yeah. They both still have the the and I think they even get introduced as part of the beef beast
Jackman Ochs:mode. Believe you're correct.
TyniBrian:Beast mode. Beef mode beast.
Jackman Ochs:They're Get
Brian Hines:it right.
TyniBrian:I'm trying real hard. That's hard.
Brian Hines:Say that 5 times fast. You can't you can't say it once.
TyniBrian:That's true. So it's just interesting to me that they still kind of affiliate them as a group even though much like, Zach and, Super z, we never see them together anymore.
Jackman Ochs:I I I think Are
Brian Hines:you saying that they're the same person?
TyniBrian:I mean, in that case, I think we can kind of assume they're not. Okay.
Jackman Ochs:I think that, I think you're right. I think that it is worth bringing up because we haven't, and they were a great tag team. Still are a great tag team, presumably.
TyniBrian:And they've both been working this whole time.
Jackman Ochs:I just think that they're ready made to be put back together at any time. Mhmm. And then that you don't necessarily need to see them together all the time. But it would be nice to see them together more often than we have over the last, I don't know, 6 to 8 weeks. Absolutely.
Brian Hines:Yeah. It has been quite a while since we've seen them in tag team action.
Jackman Ochs:So Tony Evans, of course, makes it known after Luke Curtis picks up the victory here.
Brian Hines:Well, sure.
Jackman Ochs:I'm coming for that title.
Brian Hines:Oh.
TyniBrian:He's coming for all the titles.
Jackman Ochs:He wants every title.
Brian Hines:Well, yeah. I mean, to be fair, who doesn't?
Jackman Ochs:It's well, it's a it's a it's it says a lot about him that you can put him against anybody in any title picture.
Brian Hines:Yeah.
TyniBrian:It says
Jackman Ochs:a lot about him that he's believable enough for that. People dislike him enough for that. And, Curtis looks like and how the foil of Tony Evans, what Luke Curtis looks like and how Luke Curtis responds. Because I really do think this question that we say, what is baby face is Luke Curtis baby face? What does baby face Luke Curtis look like?
Jackman Ochs:I think it can be answered in a a program with, with Superior here.
Brian Hines:Well, it could very well be. Time will tell. It usually does.
Jackman Ochs:You're gonna take us way behind? So I think I did it last couple weeks.
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Jackman Ochs:Is TikTok threads and TikTok threads? Are those 2 different things?
TyniBrian:I thought
Brian Hines:there were 2 different things.
TyniBrian:TikTok is owned by Instagram. I mean, threads is owned by by Meta.
Brian Hines:So there should be a comma here.
TyniBrian:Yes. There should be a comma there. We just added threads to that view. But, yes.
Brian Hines:You failed.
Jackman Ochs:Love you guys. Bye.
